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Ingvar Angst
Amarr Nasty Pope Holding Corp Talocan United
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Posted - 2011.07.18 12:05:00 -
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Originally by: Trebor Daehdoow Hi everyone, I just got pointed to this thread, so I thought I'd post some clarifications.
1) At the summit, Meissa and I objected strongly to kneejerk nerfing ABC in WH space. Both of us have some WH experience (him more than myself, but I currently have my second account main living in a C4, where he's been waiting for weeks for one of these fabled highways to Jita). My position in particular is that nothing like this should be done without good statistics on the actual effect of WH mining on the market (ie: net flows out of WH space, not just amount of mining).
2) Contrary to what you may have heard, CSM has received no such statistics. Nor have we heard that any nerf is in the pipeline.
Best, Treb
PS: If you check the minutes, you will see that Two Step, even though he was an alternate who was not present at the summit, did substantial work on them, in particular related to WH issues. Keep that in mind when it's election time.
This is encouraging, thanks Trebor. It's nice to know there's a sane voice in there. You ever connect to my C2, just ask, we'll get you to high sec come hell or high water if you need it.
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Ingvar Angst
Amarr Nasty Pope Holding Corp Talocan United
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Posted - 2011.07.18 15:14:00 -
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Be a shame for this thread to fall off without a blue response... or better yet, someone from the CSM that thinks nerfing holes is a good idea attempting to explain the basis of their stupidity...
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Ingvar Angst
Amarr Nasty Pope Holding Corp Talocan United
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Posted - 2011.07.18 16:21:00 -
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Originally by: Trebor Daehdoow
Originally by: Ingvar Angst This is encouraging, thanks Trebor. It's nice to know there's a sane voice in there. You ever connect to my C2, just ask, we'll get you to high sec come hell or high water if you need it.
I appreciate the thought, but more likely you'd gank me for an Orca full of tasty high-end minerals that I was moving as part of the great WH conspiracy to flood the markets.
To be perfectly honest, I wouldn't nor would I allow it in my hole if my word was on the line. You know that Jimmy Buffett song, A Pirate Looks at Forty? Yeah... that's in the rearview mirror.
I would, though, need to take into consideration an orca passing through... if high lead through the static C2 to a C1 to high that could affect whether or not there's a return trip... them little holes pop quickly.
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Ingvar Angst
Amarr Nasty Pope Holding Corp Talocan United
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Posted - 2011.07.18 17:01:00 -
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Originally by: Maeve Trinity
Originally by: Siigari Kitawa For them to be nerfed is almost like a slap in the face to players who CHOOSE not to occupy 0.0 because they don't want to be a part of a circlejerk.
QFT. Why is it 0.0 dwellers believe that any measure of success is something that should be exclusive to them?
Especially when they're afraid to venture into -1.0 space and try real living.
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Ingvar Angst
Amarr Nasty Pope Holding Corp Talocan United
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Posted - 2011.07.18 17:58:00 -
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Originally by: Vincent Athena If market data indicates the W-space ore is distorting the market, maybe a compromise is reducing the roid sizes rather than complete removal.
Unlikely that that grav with 12 to 15K of ark is going to offset even a tiny fraction of what the null-bots are pulling out of their endlessly replenishing multiple fixed belts, so let's not go pre-negotiating away things when we're already on the short end of the stick.
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Ingvar Angst
Amarr Nasty Pope Holding Corp Talocan United
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Posted - 2011.07.18 18:26:00 -
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Originally by: DemetRYS Nullsec and W-space just offer diffirent styles of risks and rewards.
-Sov. gets invaded/taken, WH gets invaded/taken -Sov. has to deal with cynos, WH has to deal with delayed local (note: one can be jammed) -Sov. has jump bridges/JF's, WH has the possibility of empire exists
ABC's belong both places.
I have to admit... I'm a little confused by what people are calling "delayed local" in wormholes. We have an alliance channel that's delayed, but eventually everyone in there shows up. In holes, there's no local unless you actually speak in it. If no one uses it, no one shows up.
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Ingvar Angst
Amarr Nasty Pope Holding Corp Talocan United
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Posted - 2011.07.19 12:09:00 -
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Just a friendly little bump to see if CCP is paying attention at all.
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Ingvar Angst
Amarr Nasty Pope Holding Corp Talocan United
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Posted - 2011.07.19 12:37:00 -
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Originally by: Gypsio III ... If nullsec wants ABC ores and Sanctums, it needs to give up local.
Regardless of how cozy they have it in null, it still doesn't justify removing ABC ores from WH space. We get a lot less already for a lot more work.
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Ingvar Angst
Amarr Nasty Pope Holding Corp Talocan United
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Posted - 2011.07.21 12:12:00 -
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Originally by: Ruiryu
I'm just keeping an open mind, no one has to come to a compromise right now I agree. But when the time comes, people should be willing to come to one. The idea in that statement was to spark discussion about what kind of things would be acceptable if "XYZ" and what kind of things could changed to make "XYZ" happen better.
A compromise would imply something gained in wormholes in return. For example, dirty comets that we could mine ice fuels and megacyte from. Sleeper drones and a means to reprocess them in wormholes for megacyte and other minerals.
These minerals are needed in holes of all classifications simply for production within the holes and to balance out the logistics of hole-life compared to the cake-walk of null through high-sec. I could see removing the ABC ores if and only if another means to replace said minerals at an equal or greater amount were introduced.
You know... I kind of really like the comet idea... we could use ice fuels in holes.
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Ingvar Angst
Amarr Nasty Pope Holding Corp Talocan United
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Posted - 2011.07.22 23:00:00 -
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Originally by: Ladie Scarlet OP, trust the CSM. They are not only smarter than you but better looking as well.
Hard to think of someone as being "smarter" when they didn't even realize wormhole space is "null" and has ABC ore.
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Ingvar Angst
Amarr Nasty Pope Holding Corp Talocan United
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Posted - 2011.07.24 04:49:00 -
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Originally by: Ladie Scarlet
It's posts like this that prove the current CSM members should be permanent or at the very least Chairman Mittani should be made Chairman For Life Mittani. Anything less is allowing the patients to run the asylum.
Why would anyone be worth giving a "for life" title when they don't even have the balls to live in wormholes?
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